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it should send back the most detailed information ever collected on the sun's lower atmosphere. >> family and friends will gather on thursday for the funeral of "sopranos" actor james gandolfini at the cathedral of st. john the devine. friday, beyonce kicks off the leg of her world tour in los angeles. that's going to do it for me. i'm fredricka whitfield. much more of the cnn news room with my colleague don lemon. hello. top of the hour, i'm don lemon. we come on the air with some unfortunate news about a man who is a current representation of freedom and equality around the world. nelson mandela, the 94-year-old former president of south africa, there is late word tonight that his health has taken a turn for the worse in
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just the past 24 hours. critical condition, according to the current south african president jacob zuma. we are monitoring south african television for you. cnn is live outside the hospital where mandela is right now. and where zuma is saying this. he is saying the doctors are doing everything possible to get his condition to improve and are ensuring that mandela is well looked after and is comfortable. he is in good hands. mandela has been hospitalized since june 8th for a recurring lung infection. previously authorities had described his condition as serious, but stable. mandela has become increasingly frail over the years. he hasn't appeared in public since south africa hosted the world cup in 2010. the anti-apartheid hero has been in and out of the hospital in recent years. his history of lung problems began when he was a political prisoner on robin island for 27 years during the apartheid era.
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he battled respiratory infections ever since. the white house monitoring this situation in south africa right now. a national security council spokeswoman issuing a statement saying, we have seen the latest reports from the south african government that former president mandela is in critical condition. our thoughts and our prayers are with him, his family and the people of south africa. we want to tell you, we are keeping a close watch on this situation in south africa. a live report from the hospital in just moments. first, more breaking news tonight here on cnn. it involves a diplomatic cliffhanger. nsa leaker edward snowden is on the run in a global cat and mouse game. snowden flew out of the hong kong despite the u.s. asking hong kong to hold him for extradition proceedings. hong kong denied the u.s. request to detain snowden because it did not receive proper documentation. right now snoewden is holed up n moscow.
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the fragile u.s./russia relationship is stressed. >> i hope we'll chase him to the ends of the earth, bring him to justice and let the russians know there will be consequences if they harbor this guy. >> you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic. they should use every legal avenue we have to bring him back to the united states. if he really believes he did something good he should come back and face the consequences of his actions. >> snowden's ultimate destination might be ecuador, the same country that helped wikileaks founder julien ensage. >> the question we ought to be asking is why is an american citizen who joined the u.s. military to fight the war in iraq, worked for the cia and
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nsa, why does he feel compelled to flee his own country because he informs his fellow citizens about lies being told about u.s. officials? if i were a whistle-blower, i would want to stay out of the grasp of the u.s. government. so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that he is trying to avoid falling into the clutches of the u.s. government. >> snowden mess could put the u.s. in a diplomatic bind affecting the future relationship with russia and china. u.s. yanked snowden's passport and asked other countries to turn him away. right now snowden is believed to be holed up inside moscow's airport. earlier a cnn crew spotted a car with diplomatic plates and ecuador flag at the moscow airport. want to go straight to moss co-. phil black is there. what is the latest? are you hearing anything about snowden's current location? >> reporter: it looks like snowden is spending the night in
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the transit area of moscow's airport. he probably has little choice. we don't think it's likely he has a russian visa, assuming his travel has been organized quickly, he wouldn't have the time. those things aren't given out quickly or easily. knowing he has applied for asylum in ecuador, he probably wants to get to that region as quickly as possible. if that's the case, then it would seem the most direct way to be a flight from moscow to havana and cuba tomorrow afternoon. in the meantime, it looks like he is prepared to wait out that time in the terminal itself. >> what about that car with the ecuador flag? are you hearing anything about the car or who may have been inside? >> reporter: the flags tell us it belonged to the ambassador himself, ecuador's ambassador to russia based at the embassy in moscow, which is a sign this is being handled at a fairly high level within ecuador's government. the interesting thing is that that car was at the airport
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before the flight arrived. certainly, there has been some contact with the government of ecuador. they knew he was coming. they knew he was going to do this. when really his departure from hong kong came as something of a surprise to much of the world. we didn't learn about it until he was already in the air inbound for the russia capital. >> does the u.s. have any leverage with russia to try to cut a possible deal to hand over snowden? >> reporter: at least two countries, the very complex relationship, do have big mutual interests so yes, there is leverage in a sense. of course, as we know, there are also significant differences, arguments they can antagonize each other significantly as well. really, the key question is what will russia do? how will the russian government respond to the fact that he arrived on their door step? did they know he was coming? we don't know that really. will they let him fly, try to extract more intelligence or assist the united states in helping to reclaim this most
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wanted of citizens at the moment? we just don't know. the russian government has not given any official statement since snowden arrived in this country. >> phil black, appreciate that. until we hear for sure a country agreed to take edward snowden, his future travel plans, they are a big question mark right now. looks like he is interested in equador, but look at these other places. a couple of days ago a businessman from iceland offered him a private plane there. there is venezuela and what about cuba? the u.s. state department sent out a blanket message to every country in the western hemisphere requesting snowden be sent directly to the states if he shows up. most of those potential destinations for edward snowden have something in common. they are openly hostile to the united states or friendly to leakers and whistle-blowers. let's get folks to talk about these possible places snowden might run to. phil doherty, tom fuentes and
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patrick ottoman in havana, cuba. equador, why would edward snowden find safe haven there? >> well, you have to look at julien essange. there is a natural connection. in fact, he had advised snowden to go to some type of latin american country. relations between the u.s. and ecuador aren't that bad really, except there is that connection and the government, the president of ecuador is, you could call him in a sense a person who was tight with mr. chavez, now dead, who was the former president of venezuela. so there are connections there. we'll just have to see. i have to point out, this debate
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over how snowden got from hong kong to russia, et cetera, is still very open. in fact the department of justice saying that it is disappointed and disagrees. this just came out. disappointed and disagrees with the decision by hong kong to let him go and says they were in communication ever since the 10th and never heard any type of word back from the hong kong authorities that everything was not in order. that was the reason they gave just today for letting snowden go. >> to tom fuentes now. snowden's passport is now no good, revoked by the u.s. government. why is this important and how does it change his travel situation? >> the problem it creates for him is that no country really has to admit him. we don't know with wikileaks and other benefactors that we don't know if he's got another passport. if he had dual citizenship with another country. that is a possibility he could
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travel on a different passport. if he only possesses a u.s. passport, he's not going to be able to travel on that. he's not going to be able to request a visa officially because they require that the passport be valid for at least another six months past the date of travel. if they want to admit him and give him asylum or let him in to be talked to long enough without actually fully admitting him, they can do that. they can do what they want. that's what we don't know and what complicates the issue for us right now. >> patrick in havana. talk to me about today's state of relations between cuba and the u.s. if snowden does land in cuba, what kind of reception do you think he would get? >> of course, don, he's almost on u.s. door step, almost 100 miles away from the united states. there are few places where the united states has less leverage in the world than in cuba. already cuba faces a u.s.
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economic embargo. relations remain very poor. cuban officials said they would like to see better relations with the united states. it's likely if edward snowden arrives in havana he would be turned over to the united states. ecuador is a close cuba ally. it is likely the cuban officials will give him safe passage. >> is there any chance he would be arrested and sent to the u.s. in any of these places? >> as he travels on it seems less and less likely. if the united states can't get hong kong, russia, countries we have diplomatic relationships with, countries we trade with, countries that in some cases could be considered on certain issues allies, when he gets to whether it's cuba, venezuela, countries that have been in the past up until today openly hostile towards u.s. foreign policy where here in cuba, edward snowden has been celebrated as a hero.
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been watching all day long as cuban officials refused to comment in the cuban state press, they are gearing up and talking about this man who embarrassed their enemies in washington. i think it's very unlikely that cuban officials are going to bow to any u.s. pressure. that is not what they do, don. >> i'm wondering if this all changes if his image changes at all. it's been a story that's been a big interest to the media, quite frankly, big interest to people in government. not a big interest to people at home who are worried about getting along every day. i wonder if the perception now of edward snowden changes since he appears to be on the run and seeking safe haven rather than standing up saying i did something good and i'm going to fight for it. >> i think you're right. he's starting to look like your garden variety gangster trying to avoid being apprehended and brought back to justice. i think the whole, he had great motives, wanted to go to hong kong because it's a free place and he can express his views
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with sympathy, he think the chinese have shown that was not the case and they didn't want him. i think there is a lot of back channel traffic going on among all of these countries starting with the u.s. and china over when he landed in hong kong. i think that the chinese pretty much showed, we don't want him here. the russians are talking to him now. they may not want him either and allow him to transit out because he is kind of a hot potato. i don't think they want to keep him. >> jill, tom, patrick, thanks to all of you. appreciate it. nelson mandela takes a turn for the worse. we'll take you live to south africa next. if you're looking to go to school, you deserve more than just flexibility and convenience. so here are a few reasons to choose university of phoenix. our average class size is only 14 students. our financial tools help you make smart choices about how to pay for school. our faculty have, on average, over 16 years of field experience. we'll help you build a personal career plan. we build programs based on what employers are looking for. our football team is always undefeated. and leading companies are interested in our graduates.
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back to our top story here on cnn. nelson mandela now in critical condition after his health dramatically worsened in the last 24 hours. want to get to live outside the hospital in south africa. i find it interesting, it's the middle of the night there. people, many south africans don't even know yet. how will they find out, when they wake up in the morning? >> reporter: exactly. many south africans will only find out when they wake up monday morning. this is such a significant shift that the president's office, who basically control and communicate information to do with the former president's health, found it important enough to send out a statement
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at around 9:30 this evening to alert the south african public, and of course the world, that former president nelson mandela's health is deteriorating. when he was admitted here on the 8th of june in the early hours of that saturday morning, we were told his condition was serious but stable, that he was suffering from a recurring lung infection. this condition, the statements that have come from the presidency have not changed about his condition until this sunday night. so people will be waking up to the shocking news. of course, mandela has been in and out of hospital four times since december, but a very south africa will be awaiting more news from the sipresidency when they wake up. >> nkepile, i want you to listen to something i will play for you.
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cnn sat down with his daughter before the new announcement. >> we haven't come to the end yet. only god knows of the end. >> is he aware how sick he is or has he gone already even though he's still physically here? >> no. i don't think he's gone. he's still there he still opens his eyes. still, the touch is there. >> so his family has projected a positive mood throughout his hospitalization. tell our viewers about south africans. you relays something to me in the break i thought was very important. you said he's been in and out of hospital for two years. he's a fighter. >> he is a fighter. every time mr. mandela is hospitalized, the people who
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know him best, people who have been with him all these years always say that they believe in him and his fighting spirit. he has always been a fighter, fighting for democracy, of course, for this country. the reason why he is described as the father of this nation and the reason why our people get so anxious and so worried every time he is admitted to hospital. of course, don, he's 94 years old. he's turning 95 next month. he's lived a very, very long life. this recurring lung infection has been a problem for a very long time in nelson mandela's life. he contracted tuberculosis when he was in prison in 1988. his lungs have been weak ever since. of course age just exacerbates the situation. as i said, south africans, many of them don't know what is
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happening to the father of this nation. they will find out in the morning and i can assure you it is going to be a very worried and very anxious south africa despite his age and despite the history of his health, don. >> nkepile mabuse standing by at the hospital where nelson mandela is now. former south african president nelson mandela in hospital now. his health has taken a turn for the worse. the white house responded to reports of nelson mandela's declining health. "we have seen the latest reports from the south african government that former president mandela is in critical condition. our thoughts and prayers are with him, his family and the people of south africa." to the white house now and dan lothian. the president and first family are departing for africa in a few days. what are you hearing? is a visit to the hospital a
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possibility? >> reporter: it's a possibility. it's a question we've been asking aides here. they say it depends on nelson mandela's health. they are deferring to the family because they realize this is a delicate time for mr. mandela and his family. they don't want to interrupt this, but the president very much would like to meet him. as a top advisor pointed out, the president considers nelson mandela one of his heroes going back to when the president was in college. he was inspired by the apartheid movement and sacrifices of nelson mandela. president obama first met mr. mandela here in washington in 2005. after he was elected in 2008, nelson mandela called the president. they've spoken by phone several times over the last several years. the white house monitoring the situation and told in touch with the mandela family.
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they'll take guidance as to whether or not the president will meet with them. >> we have correspondents in south africa. on to other news, a shooting stir add motions across the nation. tomorrow opening statements will be given in the trial of george zimmerman for the shooting of teenager trayvon martin. it's important to get away from everything once in awhile.
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well, everything but palm trees, sunshine and fruity drinks, that is. do you think he's yelling "help?" >> yes. there's gun shots. >> you heard gun shots? >> yes.
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one shooting two, very different stories. tomorrow we'll finally begin to hear the facts in court surrounding the shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. opening statements are set to begin in the trial of george zimmerman who says he shot martin in self-defense. a big step in the case came just this weekend. the judge ruled testimony from two prosecution witnesses who analyzed screams on 911 calls cannot be used. the case will also be heard by
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an all-female jury. i spoke with hln anchor jane velez-mitchell and asked if she was surprised by that. >> it seems nondiverse. that was a little shocking to me, but i do feel we kind of live hopefully in a post racial world where we can't just say, well, because you are of a certain race and gender, you are going to decide that way. i think the fact they're all women, that is kind of a bombshell. five of the six of them are moms. >> who does that help that they're all women? does that help the prosecution? does it help the defense? are they figuring women are going to be more sympathetic to the other? why? >> i would think the easy answer is five of the six are moms. they're women. they're going to be sympathetic to parents who lost a 17-year-old child who went to get skittles and a soft drink and came back in the rain and died. i think that is a big win for the prosecution in that sense,
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but what concerns me is four of the six have a very healthy relationship with guns. one used to have a concealed weapons permit. what does that say? could that help the defense? >> interesting. i've been interested in the words they can and can't use. they cannot say racial profiling, but they can say profiling. are they going to be able to bring race into this? >> well, i think that is a very interesting point. i think that some words are very loaded. the reason why there is such careful crafting around that is profiling can be based on a number of things. the sense was perhaps this profiling was based not just on the race of the victim, but also on his age, what he was wearing. we heard about the infamous hoodie. i think that it was sort of a combo platter of factors that created a profile allege lid and they don't want to make it all about just the color of his skin. >> why the fuss over what can be
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brought in? what videotapes? >> because it was a murky, dark, rainy night and nobody knows what happened except one person who is dead and the other person telling his story and is on trial. those screams on the 911 call, those are absolutely crucial. the question is, who is screaming? there are experts who say it's junk science to say you can say who is screaming. if you listen to it, it sounds like, ah! but there are others who say there is a way to crystallize that sound and get in there and hear whose voice it is screaming for help. that will determine whether george zimmerman, as he claims, shot in self-defense because he was attacked or whether he assaulted and targeted this young man. the young man was screaming because he was being attacked. >> here is the interesting thing. a lot of people ask me. if you're walking in your own neighborhood where you are supposed to be and someone says, hey, what are you doing here?
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what do you say to them? >> people say, what do you think i'm doing here? i live here. >> the whole notion that's why there was so much debate over this vigilante issue and the wording that is going to be allowed to be used. >> they can say vigilante, right? >> they can say certain words. the point is the tape, the tape george zimmerman did, a reenactment tape, this is a fascinating thing. he is showing the cops what he did. he acknowledges, they said are you following him? he said, yes. they said you don't need to do that, but he also proceeds to look for the address. is he really looking for the address or using the address as an excuse to continue looking for the young man? >> fascinating. jane velez-mitchell, 9:00 a.m. eastern time monday morning it starts. you will be right there. you will be watching and covering this. >> i will be covering it on my
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show on hln, absolutely. >> thank you. >> make sure you watch jane every night on hln at 7:00 p.m. hong kong denies a u.s. request to extradite edward snowden back to this country. are they thumbing their noses at obama administration?
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nsa leaker edward snowden is
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on the run. he flew out hong kong. hong kong says it denied the u.s. request to detain snowden because it did not receive proper documentation. the justice department says it's disappointed in hong kong's refusal to arrest snowden. right now snowden is holed up in moscow. the fragile u.s./russia relationship may be facing a big test. his ultimate destination might be ecuador, the same country that helped julien assange. the u.s. yanks snowden's passport and is asking other countries to turn him away. democratic senator charles schumer is pointing fingers at russia's leader. >> what is infuriating here is prime minister putin of russia aiding and abetting snowden's escape. the bottom line is very simple. allies are supposed to treat each other in decent ways. >> let's bring in our political
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panel. anna navarro is in beautiful miami right now. special correspondent for the root.com kelly goff joins me here. what does this say about america's diplomatic standing in the world? some u.s. requests are being ignored. >> they might as well not request anything because it's so embarrassing what ensues after that. senator schumer is absolutely right. it's infuriating that russia and china are supposed to be our allies we have no allies. what they are are strategic relationships when they are convenient mutually. we also don't have friends in latin america. there are three different countries that this guy could be going to that are just thumbing their nose and laughing at the lack of u.s. strength in the world. it tells you, we have friends that are not really friends and a lot of enemies who have no
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qualms about thumbing their nose in front of the u.s. >> kelly, light talk about hong kong and china. critics say hong kong thumbed its nose at the u.s., right? is that because they said detain him, don't let him go. what do you make of that? >> right now, i say hong kong and russia are looking like friends with not so many benefits. you know we've officially entered new territory when you have senator chuck schumer and senators lindsey graham agreeing on anything. agreeing on something. i think this is an interesting story. i don't think we should be that shocked how it's playing out in hong kong. hong kong was a british colony until 1997. got some autonomy. let's not forget that china's official news agency specifically said that these leaks make the u.s. look like the world's biggest villain. it was something like that. that was their description of us. if there is anyone who should be
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more upset it's people in china. we found out they were being hacked, too. that's me saying why we shouldn't be surprised. >> whether it's right or wrong to do this is a different question. you think the u.s. is the only country that does this? >> of course not. it's giving them an excuse. when someone is looking for an excuse to break up with you, here's the excuse. it's been laid out for them. >> they are not doing it with a post-it note. >> here is a text. >> anna, what's the u.s. political impact on snowden's global sprint for republicans? is this an opportunity to hammer the obama administration, quite frankly? >> the politics on this is rather weird. you've got libertarian republicans on the one hand then you've got progressive democrats on the other who are aligned and some of them think snowden is a hero. then you've got most of republicans, i would say, and
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you've got many democrats, including leadership like schuer, like nancy pelosi who do not see him as a hero and do not condone or like what he's done and are against it, as is the obama administration. it is a weird conundrum politically. you've got weird bed fellows going on here. i'm not sure that russia and china qualify as friends with few benefits. i think they are enemies with benefits. they've clearly proven they are are no friends of ours. yet they get a great deal of benefits from the strategic alliances economic and otherwise they have with us. >> who knew there would be a worst diplomatic crisis than the bob kraft ring story? now we have it. what is interesting about the politics, she hit the nail on the head that americans are extremely divided. a majority of americans say they think what the government is
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doing help protect us from terrorist attacks, but are extremely divided whether or not what the government did is wrong. i think that kind of gets at the heart of why this is a tough story. >> the whole hero thing. quite frankly, and someone compared edward snowden to rosa parks. >> oh, gosh. >> that is crazy. as we sit here tonight, nelson mandela is in critical condition. >> he is a hero. >> exactly. people like john lewis. people who took government abuse and confronted it in their countries. and did not run. >> stayed in the country, right. >> that is right. by the way, there are people in cuba and venezuela and in ecuador who are in that category today. the three countries that mr. snowden, who i guess got his itinerary booked by the karl marx travel agency. there are dissidents taking on
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the abuse by those three governments that are not democratic and abusive of their governmental power. that is a hero. instead of something flying all over the world. >> it's interesting where you say he is going to a place where there are political prisoners and aren't rights because he stands the best chance right here in the united states. >> the majority of americans think he should be prosecuted. people are divided. >> majority of americans who are paying attention to it. i think it's more of a journalism story and government story. >> paula deen is getting way more coverage. >> paula deen's twitter thing is trending. >> paula deen needs to -- can i tell you? paula deen needs to send edward snowden a big box of smithfield ham. this has been a long press weekend for her but for him. >> thank you, both. always a great conversation with both of you. south africans coming to grips with the reality that nelson mandela, the man that
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we are keeping a close eye on the condition of nelson mandela who has been called the greatest politician of his nation. now he is in critical condition. his health dramatically worsened in the last 24 hours as the 94-year-old continues to battle a recurring lung infection. you've known the family for years. have you spoken to them today? >> a couple of hours i was in touch. i said is what the south african president is saying is accurate? is it as bad as they say it is? i got a simple word back, yes. officially he is in very critical condition. a lot of concern about how he is doing.
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>> let's talk about life there after mandela. meaning what is south africa to be like after he's gone? >> that is a question that so many people ask. when i spoke to his granddaughters earlier in the year, i asked that question. let's hear as to what she thinks will happen when her grandfather is no longer physically with us. >> i think people need to remember that my grandfather played a huge role. not only him, but manio south africans played a huge role to get us where we are now. my grandfather said this when he was resigning from public life that it is now up to south africans to take this country forward. >> so remember that people haven't seen mandela since 2010. he left public office in 1999, so there is a feeling very strongly that the transition will be peaceful, and while everybody will mourn him and miss him, there won't be any unrest.
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there are some reports there may be, but the south african national defense force will be on alert should there be any unrest. i did want to share with you, i spoke to one of his very good friends and someone on robin island with him. i spoke with him on friday and he said let madiba go. he said it's time to let him go spiritually so if he is ready, cane move on. >> thank you. we'll be watching this very closely. it's sad to see him go, but everyone has to. we are watching the situation in south africa. nadia will be back if the situation warrants it. nsa leaker edward snowden on the run now. where is he going and is there any chance that he'll ever be back on u.s. soil? tom foreman has this week's
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juniors and seniors are doing. it's happening earlier and companies are recruiting earlier to try to stay a step ahead. >> the goals for a great many, make cass, open doors and spin that internship into employment. that's what one woman was after. how did you make that happen? >> tried to gain as much experience as i could. then i let them know i wanted to work here. >> it worked. >> it worked. >> she interned at ogilvy three years ago and never left. tom foreman, cnn, washington. [ female announcer ] what does the anti-aging power of olay total effects
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the man accused of leaking information about u.s. surveillance programs on the run now. trying to keep one step ahead of
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agencies aiming to bring him back here for prosecution. tom foreman joins us. where is he now and where do we think he's headed? >> well, that is a good question. we know right now he's over here in moscow. where is he headed? it's like that steely dan song, any world i'm welcome to is better than the one i come from. he is trying to make sure he is welcome somewhere. a whistle-blower trying to paint him as a hero as a victim who is hoping someone will want to take him in. look at this. right now we believe he is at the airport in moscow. he might be headed to ecuador or maybe to cuba or maybe to ecuador through cuba or maybe venezuela. we don't really know where he's headed. we do know this. he has a challenge in front of him because basically out of the whole world, if you take the western hemisphere minus cuba, almost all these places have extradition treaties with the
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united states. europe does, india, australia down here. some of the nations of africa do, as well. generally you can see there is a limited scope where he can go where there isn't somebody who has some burden to turn him in, even if they say no. if ecuador say we are not going to do it, they are fighting against a treaty they agreed to. >> let's talk about this. this is the u.s. we have seal team six, bin laden. why is it so hard? this guy is able to hop around, it appears, very easily and not be caught so far. >> i think it's an image we have that he is hopping around easily. i don't think he's hopping around easily at all. the simple truth is every single time he moves he's running a risk because, one, he may stray into one of these places where there are agreements for people to send him back to us.
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something like that could happen because a plane gets diverted, anything else. the other thing is, you have to bear in mind, even the places willing to host him that do not have extradition treaties with us are not necessarily held to that. if they see it's in their into the return him, they can do it it. think his whole life changed forever no matter where he winds up. >> yeah. >> and i'm making that an example. he's not being hunted, but we've got a vast arsenal of ways to find people. it's interesting it appears he is able to hop around. great demonstration. thank you very much, tom foreman in washington. food network pulled the plug on celebrity chef paula deen. now more companies may be following suit. first this. >> since he was born nerves were torn in his shoulder and he couldn't move his arm. >> one of the things the doctor asked us to do was help understand what the shoulder blade was doing in individual patients. >> the type of research he does is very cutting edge.
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a couple of quick headlines. after admitting she used a racial slur on youtube. the network says they are reviewing our business relationship with miss deen. plans are settled for the funeral of actor james gandolfini. he died of a heart attack wednesday in italy. his body is expected to arrive back in the united states tomorrow. he was 51 years old. i'm don lemon, thanks for joining us. good night. for two years, the bodies of black children had been found in